Rasdaman should not compile with -g3 when not in debug

[Alex Dumitru]

Rasdaman seems to compile with g3 flag when not in debug mode. It should be set to g0.

[Alex Dumitru]

Ok, it seems —without-debug-symbols is disabled. Not sure why we even have such a flag, would be better to have —with-debug-symbols instead.

[Dimitar Misev]

If I remember correctly I wanted to have it on by default as then you get a proper stacktrace on segfaults. Is there some (performance) penalty or other issue to have it on?

[Alex Dumitru]

With rasnet and g0: 838s and 800MB compilation memory used
With rasnet and g3: ~1400s (not sure if grpc compile as well) and 3800MB compilation memory used

[Dimitar Misev]

I meant runtime effects of this (but it's good to know there's such a huge difference in compilation).

[Alex Dumitru]

I didn't check runtime performance, was trying to find a method to allow rasnet to compile in a VM and this seemed to do the trick.

[Dimitar Misev]

Ok I'm not sure what would be a better default. Both bring some nice benefits.

Debugging an installation compiled with g0 is not possible, according to the docs -g0 negates -g, while -g is equivalent to -g2. Could you try with -g1 and -g2, and check how gdb works in these cases?

[Alex Dumitru]

With -g2: similar speed and 2Gb of ram used at peak

[Alex Dumitru]

Also at runtime the size of the binaries is considerably smaller. For rasserver with g0 it's 18MB and with g3 si 100 MB

[Dimitar Misev]

So -g(3) has no runtime performance penalty, all the extra MB are debug symbols in a separate part of the executable and are only loaded when debugging with gdb for example.

I'd say for us (developers) it doesn't matter which one is default. So let's focus on users, what would be better?

• I guess if we explain the differences in the wiki:InstallFromSource, it also doesn't matter.
• In RPMs we should use -g
• On OSGeo Live -g0 would be better to save space on the iso

[Alex Dumitru]

That is true, but total size of the rasdaman installation directory is now around 700MB with the largest folders being bin and lib each having around 330 MB. It's not huge, but it could be about 5 times smaller with -g0 which would make rasdaman VMs smaller. For OSGEO Live DVD for example this is quite a problem.

Also, not having this default makes installation impossible for people without 6GB of RAM. Which again reduces the number of people that can try rasdaman on the machines.

What are the pros for using -g3 as default?

[George Merticariu]

I propose:

default: -O3 -g0
—enable-debug: -O0, -g3

And we can remove the flags —without-optimisation-flags.

This way users who want to use rasdaman can compile it faster and without any memory penalty. For us developers we anyway need to enable debug if we want to diagnose.

[Dimitar Misev]

Ok sounds good. —with-optimization is useful, I'm using this to set -O0 during development. I'd prefer to have a separate —with-debug-symbols, instead of relying on —enable-debug for -g3. In the RPMs for example we should use -g2 or -g3, then debug symbols packages are automatically created, so anyone that needs the symbols for debugging can just install these packages.

To sum it up, we have these changes:

• default: -g0
• --without-debug-symbols → with-debug-symbols (sets -g2 or -g3, we should investigate the differences and decide which one is preferable)

[Dimitar Misev]

There is also an -Og flag, that might be more optimal in —enable-debug for example, instead of -O0 -g3.

[George Merticariu]

debug symbols are not really useful if you use anything but -O3 since the debugger will jump randomly based on the optimizations made by the compiler. The only benefit would be the stacktrace generated which will anyway require enable-debug for further investigations. Anyway, I will add the —with-debug-symbols and remove -g3 from default.

Replying to dmisev:

Ok sounds good. —with-optimization is useful, I'm using this to set -O0 during development. I'd prefer to have a separate —with-debug-symbols, instead of relying on —enable-debug for -g3. In the RPMs for example we should use -g2 or -g3, then debug symbols packages are automatically created, so anyone that needs the symbols for debugging can just install these packages.

To sum it up, we have these changes:

• default: -g0
• --without-debug-symbols → with-debug-symbols (sets -g2 or -g3, we should investigate the differences and decide which one is preferable)

[Alex Dumitru]

Seems you still need -g alongside -Og ​http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12970596/gcc-4-8-does-og-imply-g so best we have -Og -g3. We also need to check that -Og exists in clang as well.

[Dimitar Misev]

debug symbols are not really useful if you use anything but -O3

I guess you meant -O0 here.

-Og doesn't seem to exist in clang, so maybe we just stick to -O0 in this case.

[Alex Dumitru]

Ok, let's come to a conclusion so George can implement this. I collected this outcome (feel free to modify):

• --without-debug-symbols → with-debug-symbols (sets g flag to -g3)
• default: -O3 -g0
• enable-debug: -O0 -g3

Agreeable to all?

[Dimitar Misev]

Yes perfect.

[Peter Baumann]

I'm fine with the overall approach, but let us be careful about flag semantics (and cross-dependencies!) and the —with and —enable etc. variety (see also ticket #1138).

[Dimitar Misev]

Here are some statistics in compiling with make -j4 (the size, e.g. 53M, is the size of $RMANHOME):

configure	rnp	rasnet
—without-debug-symbols	real 150.28 user 394.76 sys 10.70 53M	real 311.61 user 904.70 sys 33.07 131M
-g3	real 213.14 user 529.93 sys 18.98 752M	real 437.36 user 1188.92 sys 49.06 1.1G
—without-debug-symbols (including git submodules)		real 613.65 user 1129.95 sys 47.35 131M

[Peter Baumann]

this doesn't seem correct in the patch:

+ [AS_HELP_STRING([—with-debug-symbols],

[compile rasdaman without debug symbols])],